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i'm witness citizens

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what's up everybody um it is

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saturday and i have a great guest today

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uh

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danny silva um i am super interested

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in talking to him um i think he has

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i would assume a lot of uh

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great things to offer um so i can't wait

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to have a conversation with

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them pick his brain a little bit um

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as far as where we're at now with

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everything

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uh the task force report um

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lawmakers commenting on their briefings

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you know stuff like that so um

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my mom's going i can't talk to her now

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so he should be here um pretty soon i

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started a little bit early here

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yeah good bad other ugly

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yeah okay all right fair

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fair enough um yeah it's pretty nice out

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over by me right now

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it'll be real nice to take a hike later

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that's for sure

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so yeah um thanks for watching guys i

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know it's saturday

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um there's probably a lot you could be

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doing but i appreciate the time

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i'm gonna try to make this as useful

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as possible um so

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uh i hope you enjoy yourself and next

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week

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don't forget to join us i'm back on

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monday at one o'clock

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so um yeah i will see you then

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and we'll see what happens from then

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between now and then

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so next week's going to be a pretty big

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week with the

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task force report and everything uh

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danny i can see you but you're sideways

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just saying no

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[Laughter]

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all right i'm gonna bring the boss in um

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without further ado mr

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danny silva how are you sir good man

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good only gonna go that way hold on yeah

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i'm so confused here that works whatever

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you want to do

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so yeah you know landscape portrait

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that's your choice

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i wasn't letting the landscape for some

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reason oh really

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whatever so um how you been

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good man how are you yeah i'm pretty

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good things are pretty exciting

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um next week should be

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interesting i'm trying to refrain from

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saying exciting per se um

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you know i don't want to get

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expectations out of bounds but how are

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you feeling about this stuff the report

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you know based on the congressman uh

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comments and everything

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i think it's it's been exciting already

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definitely what's in the report i'm

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really happy about the run-up

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yeah um to the report and it's it's

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from the run-up and everyone commenting

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all the politicians all the media

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what the new york times leaked about the

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report how it's going to just basically

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say that it's not us

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yeah and then um i think that'll

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probably be in the report i don't know

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if it's going to be a lot more but we're

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going to find out

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yeah but um that's

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pretty cool in itself just saying it's

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not us i mean i know the skeptics won't

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yeah but uh all the press from the

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and it's gonna be it feels like it's a

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rebirth

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of uh what happened in 2017

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like we had a huge jumping off point in

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2017 when lou first came out and now

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a second jumping off point um luke said

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we're at the beginning of the beginning

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we're not at the beginning of the end

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and we're not at the end of the

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beginning or at the beginning of the

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beginning of what's

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going on and happening and basically

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what he i think what he meant was a

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disclosure process

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right that's something to keep in mind

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um we're not there yet

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and we're not even probably close but

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we've also made tons of headway

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in the last four years thanks to him and

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even people like tom delong and all

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these unnamed people

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oh thanks man and there's tons of people

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that we don't even know the names of in

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the government and other places that

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are doing things and we're never going

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to know their names but uh there's a

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bunch of people that work on the task

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force and worked on the other version of

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atip

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um the director of the task force that

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no longer works with them did a lot of

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great work so uh

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everything has basically worked that lou

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set out to do

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yeah as far as the government disclosure

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process we know to the stars academy

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accomplish all their goals and that's

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unfortunate and it sucks especially for

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investors

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but uh the disclosure stuff worked yeah

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yeah as far as tom goes and everything i

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mean he he did

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a lot of this stuff you know um and to

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i don't think they're done yet either he

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may not just be talking about um other

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on that uh scout project or whatever

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so we'll see but i mean you're totally

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correct with lou

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taking it this far ever since 2017 his

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show ident

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unidentified and it's pretty amazing

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actually looking back

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and how he's been able to follow through

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on such a long distance plan like that

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um because not many can that's

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that's a year's worth of fighting for

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he mentioned the uss boxer thing on one

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of his interviews

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um and yeah so i guess you kind of

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broke the news on that story the uss

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boxer story and it's kind of similar to

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to the tic tac event

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so i wanted to get your take on that

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anything new there i saw

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when you wrote the article you were kind

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of waiting on new information to

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verify and stuff so i haven't gotten any

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new information about that i'd like it

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what happened with the uss kid

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sure um i basically had just heard about

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the boxer

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and i was confident um

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that it took place confident enough to

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write the blog

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yeah but then um rich hoffman

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spoke about it and i felt like that gave

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it some more weight

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as far as me writing about it and it was

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kind of the same thought process as when

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i first wrote about the uss kid

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thanks to dave beatty's work it was kind

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a little hint and we and um

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we knew uh that something probably

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but i didn't have a lot of information

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on it right and um

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but it's funny nothing has uh it hasn't

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done the same thing as what the

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happened with the uss kid and it went

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viral around the world and

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all these other guys jumped in with

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foias right it's like this huge massive

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event jeremy corbell is releasing

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videos from it and all kinds of stuff so

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a lot older because it was the 90s right

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90s it's going to be harder

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but it would also maybe be easier to get

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some of these

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witnesses that were there because

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they're probably retired now that's true

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that's a good point

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yeah and that's what helped us i think a

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little bit with the tic tac

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because that was 2004 and it's what's

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hindering us

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with the kid because it just happened

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still current military but uh yeah i

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would like to see more information about

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it i don't i don't really know much

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more than um anyone else or that i wrote

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yeah i just kind of put it out there and

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more would come from it and so far it

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hasn't but i like hearing

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lou talking talking about it and for him

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and for lou to talk about it

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he's really sure yeah um

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it would be really neat if there would

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be some way to get like a coalition of

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commercial pilots ex-air force pilots

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incident or another it'd be all these

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bainbridge is it anything more on that

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possibly yeah but that was even less

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vlogs i've written so many years ago

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i don't i don't know anything else about

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that um that was just

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yeah same situation where i was just

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putting out there i heard about it

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and um and nothing else has come out

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about it it's kind of on everyone else

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to start and i don't do a lot of foias

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and things gotcha

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yeah sure so you kind of throw it out

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someone with enough motivation will go

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find out more yeah

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i am confident about stuff i don't

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remember i'd have to reread that blog i

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don't remember if uh

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rich hoffman mentioned it at the time i

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can't remember i don't

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think wait i thought he did yeah but

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i don't know he may have mentioned it

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but um yeah i

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order to write about something i'm not

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just going to put it out there if i

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think it's crap

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yeah but um yeah

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so how long have you been following this

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stuff and writing blogs and

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um i was always a fan of uh you know

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like coast to coast ufos and things like

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that

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sure but i wasn't super you know heavy

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into it and then

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2017 rolled around and that changed me

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forever

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it was crazy it was nuts and thank you

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came forward to the stars happened it

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was crazy

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me and a few other guys like andreas

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from ufo twitter we started uh

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he's a great writer he kind of has a

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background in writing and he started up

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a blog

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and along with some other guys and they

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kind of forced me to write when i didn't

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even feel comfortable doing it and um

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just because we were the ones on twitter

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there wasn't even that many people on

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twitter talking about this

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and we were digging we were googling

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everything we were contacting all these

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people

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and we realized that we could break

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stories at least to the ufo community

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yeah and uh it kind of just snowballed

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from there but um it was because of

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andreas and

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another guy named keith jason christian

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other people i'm forgetting and they we

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started a website at the time

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uh called uap info and then it dissolved

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and i just had my own after that

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yeah so is it safe to say you are one of

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the

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i guess i don't know i don't know if i

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would call myself that but yeah there's

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a bunch of us

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you know right after or even some of

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them were even before

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i think people like joe ufo joe was

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there before

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and some of these other guys were before

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ufo jesus was even before i think

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but um yeah we were there when there

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wasn't that many people there

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and it was kind of like a gold rush of

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information no one cared

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no one was really looking into this

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stuff right our main sources of

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information was like george knapp

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and um which is a good one yeah and to

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the stars academy and stuff like that

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now

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i mean it was a pipe dream back then to

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have

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mainstream media looking into this and

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now look where we are

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yeah and and i tweeted recently just six

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months ago

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for all these politicians to be

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commenting on this was like a dream for

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us

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and now six months later we're getting

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like massive amounts of politicians

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commenting

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it's just really crazy how far

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everything's gone yeah but um

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we still have there's still a lot of

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work to do yeah

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it does seem like a kind of an overall

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consensus

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is slowly starting to be reached but

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there's still some congress people who

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like that one guy who said i'm not on

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the seat of my pants or whatever

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it's like how can people have such

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different takes coming out of something

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like that

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i don't know sure i don't know what they

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want to see i mean i guess some of these

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guys just

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want to see aliens and i think probably

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it's coming from

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a lot of their personal beliefs and

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personal backgrounds on what they

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personally think is interesting

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um you know we've had for every one of

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those comments we've had some great

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comments by the politicians

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more so i would say a good one yeah yeah

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i think so and um

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regardless he should be on the seat of

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his pants because we're talking about

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the security

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of the armed forces in the united states

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so that's a real ignorant comment

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actually the more i think about it

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sure it is if even if it's not aliens

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maybe he was just talking about it from

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an

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alien perspective because i haven't

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heard the comment myself i've just heard

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people talking about it

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it's just a snippet i read too of course

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they just quote that part

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yeah but uh he should be uh on the edge

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of his seat when we're talking about

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security of the of the united states and

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maybe it is just russia and china

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and it's not aliens well he needs to be

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concerned about that sure

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i mean we have things in our restricted

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uh airspace

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um swarming our our

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prized possessions are beautiful boats

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and everything and all that stuff like

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uh no matter what it is it's dangerous

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you know

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it could be just one dude going rogue

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it's still dangerous

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so yeah they should be you know it kind

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of it baffles me

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how can they let this go every day for

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years like ryan graves said like how can

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you just

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not do anything you know yeah i don't

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know it is

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it is baffling it's really confusing you

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know probably they were chalking it up

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to

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drones or something like that but even

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if it is

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i think they'd be wanting to figure that

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out so um

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it's odd that we aren't protecting our

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airspace you know

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even if it's just drones um so i don't

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know

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i think maybe we can yeah or maybe

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there's some sort of cover-up

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and they didn't want us to get into it

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that could be the other explanation

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that there's a cover-up they know what

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it is and they don't want

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the pilots and anyone else giving it

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attention right

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yeah that could be too i suppose but

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i just can't understand why you know

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did this the cover-up thing all just

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start with

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roswell and trickled out of control or

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you know that's so weird to me that it

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can keep up for that long without people

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deciding to say okay

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you know yeah you say something here

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yeah i mean there's probably a lot of

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other reasons that we can't think of

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we can only speculate what happened

430
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right i personally believe there was a

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bunch of crashes back then

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and we were kind of caught you know

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not knowing what the heck was going on

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they were

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probably scrambling uh the government

436
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was probably scrambling

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really crazily to try to figure out what

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was happening

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they didn't want to admit that they

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couldn't control this and

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and uh there was probably some sort of a

442
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technology race that was going on

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um you know i could get really weird

444
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with it and

445
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and speculate further about what has

446
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happened since then

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but i don't know if that would be uh

448
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productive to do it but i have a lot of

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uh

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ideas of maybe what could have

451
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transpired in some of these

452
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programs studying things yeah and who

453
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knows what they were doing were they

454
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even trying to do you know ce5

455
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or or contact i mean i don't know weird

456
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stuff

457
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yeah that could have been happening or

458
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none of that has happened and it's all

459
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kind of

460
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what we figure but you also think about

461
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,680
some of tom's words and i can't believe

462
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everything that tom says unfortunately

463
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i uh i used to at first believe

464
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he said and then i realized some of it

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was opinions it's hard when we talk to

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people and they're talking about having

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sources

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and they also add their opinions in

469
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and you don't know what is an opinion

470
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and what source with that with that said

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i really respect tom a lot and he's

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great and he is a good source of

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information

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you know he was talking about these guys

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i'm having sleepless nights being super

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worried

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while we're all you know going to dinner

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and going to the movies and living our

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lives and they have these huge problems

480
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on their back

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that seems accurate to me yeah um and it

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wouldn't even just be

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with the ufo subject it would be a lot

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of these government guys you know

485
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melaness talked about when they thought

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that there was like a nuclear weapon on

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the east coast right i couldn't

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believe he said it's nuts and so imagine

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knowing that information

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and you know just having to kind of not

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tell anyone or go to jail

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so that didn't turn into some sort of

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breaking news

494
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yeah i mean well it didn't leak oh you

495
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mean when melon said it yeah

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yeah you know i thought about writing

497
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about that actually i was like is this

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gonna be my first non-ufo blog

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i was because he tweeted it actually uh

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years before then he

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oh he did it again or a year before that

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and uh it was shocking to me

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and um but uh i don't know i mean these

504
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guys have a lot of stuff on their back

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look at luke he's talking

506
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about being on uh at guantanamo bay

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dealing with the 911 guys

508
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and uh so these these guys have a lot of

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uh

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they really are heroes in a lot of

511
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different ways a lot of these government

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guys um

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just from doing what they do and dealing

514
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with these issues for us

515
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could you imagine that like going from

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guantanamo bay which is probably

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traumatic i don't care

518
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how tough you are yeah and and then the

519
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uab task force

520
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and you're not in the aliens and they're

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like hey you want to do this now it's

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like

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maybe

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yeah it goes to show how much they

525
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trusted lou

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to i've talked to high-level people and

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um

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they've told me that lou is a hero aside

529
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from the ufo stuff

530
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because of everything else he's done so

531
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we kind of need to

532
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we we think of him in a ufo way only

533
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sure and uh we need to realize that he's

534
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done a lot for the um

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for the country and uh there's i think

536
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there's other stuff that um

537
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probably hasn't came out yet that he's

538
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done yeah i hope

539
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i hope it does come out you know and a

540
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lot of these bats too you could say that

541
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about any of these vets that have

542
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:59,919
sure put their life on the line man but

543
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,360
him he's the type to not

544
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,600
you know uh toot his own horn so to

545
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speak it is i want him to do his own

546
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:06,559
horn a little bit sometimes it's like

547
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frustrating to me he keeps saying it's

548
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like a team effort and it is but i'm

549
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,840
like bro this is like this is because of

550
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you man

551
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yeah yes basically yeah he always goes

552
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:16,799
well there is a lot of due respect

553
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:18,880
yeah but he's just like over the top

554
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like

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no i haven't done anything special i'm

556
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:23,120
like come on

557
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that one person just joined twitter a

558
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:26,559
couple weeks ago it's part

559
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partly due to her yeah and it is in a

560
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way

561
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i get it but uh he just speaks as a

562
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great leader

563
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,400
yeah he does he brings everyone together

564
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,880
look at all of these haters

565
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,799
that have hated him for years and years

566
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:42,400
and now they like him and he's going on

567
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:43,200
a show

568
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:44,400
i'm not going to mention any of their

569
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:46,240
names i know what you mean yeah

570
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,520
yeah i will not mention their names

571
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:49,520
jimmy church um

572
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,880
jimmy church hated everybody

573
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:55,200
this guy hated jimmy church hated luke i

574
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,240
remember hearing that

575
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,559
over and over again yeah and like he's

576
00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:00,320
turned he's like changed his tune like a

577
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:01,360
hundred percent

578
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:03,520
yeah the that isn't the only person

579
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:14,149
and i'm trying to wonder now maybe you

580
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:16,000
know maybe i should start

581
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:17,520
giving jimmy church a second chance or

582
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,360
something it's hard

583
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,360
years and years trashing little traction

584
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,200
everything that we're doing

585
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:25,360
and all of a sudden you know lou speaks

586
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,480
to them

587
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,720
personally and gets them to just totally

588
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:29,840
flip and that's

589
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:33,120
that goes to show you how uh honest and

590
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,679
um

591
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,760
how honest lou is and when you speak to

592
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,200
him you really

593
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:39,520
get an idea of the type of person he is

594
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,280
and how could you hate this guy

595
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,679
after you talk to him and uh but jimmy

596
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:45,200
church especially

597
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:46,480
you know he interviewed lou and then he

598
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,919
was still trashing him on twitter this

599
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,600
was a second last year

600
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:51,360
and uh but now it seems like he's really

601
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:54,320
um just kind of uh he's on our side now

602
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,600
i guess i don't know

603
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,840
well i mean you know what you do in the

604
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:59,440
relationships you have and choices you

605
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,159
make is

606
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:02,559
you know just up to you but i would

607
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:03,200
obvious

608
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,640
i would say you know

609
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,880
like it's a you know it's cliche but

610
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:10,720
it's a bigger man to just let it go and

611
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,919
try again right

612
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,440
yeah and you know i've made a ton of

613
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,280
mistakes you know we've argued

614
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,880
with a lot of people i've argued with a

615
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,799
ton of people over the last years

616
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,960
um going through all this stuff and i

617
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,559
wish i hadn't in some cases

618
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:25,200
other cases it was justified and it

619
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:26,559
should have happened

620
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:30,240
but it's really weird too like

621
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,679
a bunch of the people that have hated

622
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,360
lou like they blocked me

623
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,600
and now they are friends with them but

624
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,280
i'm still blocked

625
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:40,080
so i don't know that's crazy that's uh

626
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,600
dodging admission

627
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,280
[Laughter]

628
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,280
because uh if they added you too then

629
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:47,440
it'd be you know it's basically saying

630
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,760
i was wrong or whatever but what you

631
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,760
know one thing that lou always says

632
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,320
uh don't we can't turn it into a tilde

633
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,240
zone type of thing right

634
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:59,039
and it's hard for me to do that yeah

635
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,720
sure i can imagine man yeah

636
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,559
and you'll see in some of my tweets i am

637
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,840
i told you so guy

638
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,840
but i gotta step back from that i am

639
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,960
trying to

640
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,880
but um you know the more stuff that gets

641
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,159
confirmed

642
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:12,000
um or the more stuff that lou talks

643
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,360
about even though a lot of people still

644
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:15,039
hate them and don't believe them

645
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,880
uh it gives credence to a lot of the

646
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,559
stuff that's going on and

647
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,320
one of the things that makes everyone

648
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,799
super crazy mad as mj12

649
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,520
and uh you mentioned mj 12 recently and

650
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:27,120
man a lot of the people just got super

651
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:28,640
pissed off at him

652
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:31,840
for mentioning mj12 yeah he talked about

653
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:32,240
it

654
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:39,919
and all the older

655
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,559
ufo guys that have been doing this for

656
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:44,000
years that don't have any government

657
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,360
clearances or

658
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,280
or really any big-time inside

659
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,280
information they hate mj-12

660
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:51,039
because most of the documents if not all

661
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,400
the documents are fake

662
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,600
and i understand why they hate it

663
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,880
they're burnt out i'm talking about it

664
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:56,000
they hate this stuff

665
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,600
a lot of them hate crash retrievals a

666
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,200
lot of them hate roswell

667
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,559
they hate a lot of other subjects but i

668
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,840
made a tweet that pissed off a lot of

669
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:03,120
people where i like listed all these

670
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,919
things

671
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,000
that people uh so you're just a

672
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,520
troublemaker yeah i am

673
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:12,000
and uh they just hate this stuff they

674
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,039
don't want to talk about it

675
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,880
it's case closed to them no matter what

676
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,240
else comes out about it

677
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,840
they already have their minds made up

678
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,679
and see that's unfortunate

679
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,760
it is and then lou brings up android

680
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:22,960
mj12 and man

681
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:26,480
people get mad yeah well you know

682
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,080
to his credit he didn't say mg12 existed

683
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,280
maybe an organization like that right

684
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,000
yeah that is well he said he's what did

685
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,919
he say he said maybe both like it was

686
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:38,799
rogue and

687
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,919
um um on the oh he asked them if

688
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,440
there's people that like fit the

689
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:47,200
description of what that is yeah

690
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,880
currently work in the yeah right

691
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:53,760
um but it's not called uh it's not

692
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:56,320
called mj12 it's called

693
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,799
zodiac i don't doubt that it was uh

694
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,720
yeah or something but i don't know you

695
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:04,400
know again we're we're reporting on

696
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,799
stuff

697
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,960
me and myself ufo joe we get a lot of

698
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,159
heat last year

699
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,880
because we were reporting on a document

700
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,919
that came out

701
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,320
that hal put off and dr eric davis said

702
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,720
that they vetted and verified

703
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:19,120
um joe went farther than me saying he

704
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,400
believed it was 99

705
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,400
real or something like that i was

706
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,520
basically just trying to say i'm

707
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,960
reporting on what these super smart

708
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,240
scientists are saying

709
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,840
but you know of course everyone attacks

710
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,000
us and attacked me for uh

711
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:32,159
talking about it who lead that document

712
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,200
out

713
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,880
the document was on the internet for a

714
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:36,400
long time no one was really paying

715
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,440
attention to it

716
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:40,000
everyone thought it was fake it became a

717
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,279
story

718
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,919
when hal put off was on george knapp's

719
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,520
coast-to-coast show

720
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,559
pretty pretty soon after 2017 i think it

721
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,919
was like 2018

722
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,840
he said there was a crash document that

723
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,840
they were able to verify as real

724
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,000
that leaked and we all went nuts the

725
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,600
whole ufo community did really

726
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,279
sure trying to figure out what crash

727
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,120
document he was talking about

728
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,039
i was following that story behind the

729
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,760
scenes for a long time

730
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,039
trying to figure out i felt like that

731
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:09,440
was like a huge huge story and i had to

732
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,000
know

733
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:13,440
i got a tip from someone that said that

734
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:14,480
they had talked

735
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:18,080
to um actually i probably should just uh

736
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,279
i don't remember how much of this is

737
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,200
public i should ride this two on that

738
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:23,120
they'll go ahead and it's fine but uh

739
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,480
yeah certainly give me the thing but

740
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:26,320
anyway so we caught wind that

741
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:29,840
hal and eric thought it was real and

742
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:33,679
uh you know it's always hard to

743
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,799
keep sources um private

744
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,360
but we caught wind of that it turned out

745
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,559
to be accurate

746
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,320
and then it became a story because they

747
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,799
thought it was real

748
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,440
yeah well that may be a little um

749
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,960
irresponsible i guess for them to

750
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,480
comment on it if they don't know

751
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,799
it well they said they verified it you

752
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:54,320
know and they have their ways to verify

753
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:54,559
it

754
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,679
they say to me is news

755
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,679
yeah um and i want to know what they

756
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,120
think and i want to should be

757
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,679
are they verified yeah it should be uh

758
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,679
news coming from them

759
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,159
yeah it's you know there's the hard part

760
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,559
with this topic is there is

761
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,000
active disinformation campaigns

762
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,440
you know and it can become difficult to

763
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,760
to notice what is and what isn't you

764
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,039
know

765
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:28,000
and but i think if you just do your best

766
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,640
to

767
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,799
avoid the dramatic side of things you'll

768
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,279
probably be all right

769
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:35,360
but yeah it's it's hard to not get

770
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:36,840
emotional um

771
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,880
yeah have you had an experience sorry

772
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:43,520
uh do you mean like with ufos yeah no

773
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,480
i'm just

774
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:47,360
some guy i've never seen ufo or if i

775
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:47,760
have

776
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,799
it's ufo right i'm

777
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,120
very skeptical so i really needed to do

778
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,120
like a right-hand turn

779
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,559
or blast-off or something like that um

780
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,000
you know i've seen like once i was on a

781
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:02,080
plane and i saw like this metallic thing

782
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,360
but i don't know if it wasn't just like

783
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,279
some far away plane or some drone

784
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,880
and i've seen like flashes of lights in

785
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:08,559
the sky like that doesn't do anything

786
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,440
for me yeah

787
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,520
um i don't know what that was you know

788
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:13,520
and i saw a green light

789
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,559
that was really really low um in a town

790
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,799
i was driving through it was really low

791
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,559
but i didn't see it do any right handle

792
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,880
turn so how do i know it wasn't a drone

793
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,159
right that was probably the weirdest

794
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,440
thing i've ever seen was this green

795
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,440
light it was really really low

796
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,600
but you know drones that was like the

797
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:31,440
early point of when drunk people were

798
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,919
flying

799
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,000
drones so there's no way for me to know

800
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,520
that it wasn't a drone

801
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,279
yeah and i've had other weird things

802
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,960
happen to me um

803
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,880
but they i wouldn't chuck them up as

804
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,320
like the ufo field

805
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:45,200
sure maybe more paranormal which i think

806
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,159
ufos

807
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:49,039
could kind of fit in that category as

808
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:49,919
well to be honest

809
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:52,720
but generally i'm just like super normal

810
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:53,520
and boring

811
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,880
and um at first i felt like people

812
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,240
you know experiences and stuff they

813
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:59,679
didn't want to trust me as much they

814
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,840
only wanted to talk to other

815
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,960
experiencers but i'm really fun

816
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,799
and um but also i think it gives me

817
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,720
maybe more of um

818
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,799
a level playing field because i'm not an

819
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:10,320
experiencer i'm just coming from like a

820
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,120
normal

821
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,440
like kind of like a reporter standpoint

822
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,440
yeah to be honest i think your

823
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,279
your opinion would be a lot less biased

824
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:18,960
because of that you know

825
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:22,320
and i'm gonna i've had an experience i

826
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,880
could

827
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,399
you know don't care if you have or

828
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,440
haven't you know

829
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:30,000
to me it says even more that you haven't

830
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:31,120
and you're going to want to have like i

831
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:32,399
don't want to have like an experience or

832
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,279
something but

833
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,679
it'd be yeah it'd be cool to see you

834
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:37,760
well sometimes the experiences are good

835
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,120
but yeah what do the ce5 thing

836
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,880
i could totally see you doing that i

837
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,720
probably uh need to bring another pair

838
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:47,039
of pants for sure

839
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,960
yeah yeah um

840
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,279
are you working on anything are you just

841
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,960
like chilling out right now

842
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,120
i'm always working on blogs my output

843
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:58,960
has been a lot less

844
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,760
this year i'm getting flack for it but

845
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,640
the thing is

846
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,799
back when i was writing every single

847
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:06,640
week i was like one of the only people

848
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,200
doing it

849
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,080
and now we have major media and

850
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,919
everything involved so it's like i don't

851
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,760
have to do as much work now it seems

852
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,960
like but um

853
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,880
i need to do more i'm doing more

854
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,320
interviews probably that i'm writing i'm

855
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:20,000
probably writing like one blog a month

856
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,120
now

857
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:23,440
but i always have more in the back of my

858
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,880
mind that i want to do

859
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,120
and that i'm working on so i need to get

860
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,200
off my butt and do it i'm just real busy

861
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,279
in my personal life and trying to stay

862
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,120
afloat financially and things like that

863
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,279
yeah no i i hear you yeah i mean you

864
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,880
know we don't uh a lot of us

865
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,799
most of us you know we don't make money

866
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,080
off this stuff at all

867
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:42,000
and i mean no i'm in the room i'm in the

868
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:43,120
red even doing this

869
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,200
yeah buy stuff i have a patreon account

870
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:50,000
and that people uh can't donate to but

871
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,399
it's

872
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:52,000
pretty pathetic how much i make a month

873
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,440
off of it and uh

874
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,600
yeah it's just you know a lot of us do

875
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,000
this at the expense of like ignoring the

876
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,760
rest of our lives and our financial

877
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,840
well-being yeah you know i'm starting to

878
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,360
see that in my own life and

879
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:05,919
i'm trying to reason with that myself

880
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,480
you know

881
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,640
as attention is kind of taken away from

882
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:10,720
other things whether it's

883
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:14,320
music or yeah fixing something at the

884
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,120
house or

885
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,720
yeah you know and then money yeah

886
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,720
totally like i'm doing this and i'm not

887
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,080
the type to

888
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:22,159
just like half it like if i'm gonna do a

889
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,200
live stream

890
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,039
i'm gonna do it i'm gonna really try and

891
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,880
put my best foot forward so i had to go

892
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:27,760
buy camera

893
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:30,640
lights yeah and all that stuff and i'm

894
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,360
doing this

895
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,679
i'm like yeah well you know music cost

896
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:35,279
me way more money

897
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,720
so that's okay uh

898
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,520
probably over the course of 20 years i

899
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,880
couldn't even count how much money i've

900
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:43,919
spent on music

901
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,200
me too yeah what were you doing you're

902
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,360
were you a dj or yeah i was doing dj

903
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:50,799
producing i was making beats

904
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,679
you know sampling records i have yeah

905
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,880
tons of equipment

906
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,480
thousands and thousands and thousands of

907
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:58,240
records vinyl records i was sampling

908
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,120
yeah

909
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,799
cool i put my whole life towards it and

910
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:02,159
that was another thing that kind of i

911
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,120
was

912
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,880
throwing my financial well-being out the

913
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,880
window and i just wish i was uh

914
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,399
because i trade stocks down too and i

915
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:10,000
wish i was just trading stocks 20 years

916
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,720
ago

917
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:13,279
and getting my financial portfolios up

918
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,159
rather than uh

919
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:16,000
doing all this other stuff but hey

920
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,840
that's all right

921
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,039
you know though it's something i've

922
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,120
realized is when you don't make

923
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:23,600
like your your goal or what you're

924
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,720
chasing

925
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,919
you know you don't attach it to a

926
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,320
monetary thing um

927
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,480
and you follow a passion and have good

928
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,840
intent and a good heart like you're

929
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:33,679
going to be taken care of you just

930
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,799
you know just whatever it is it just it

931
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,760
just works out

932
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,559
you know i've had pretty awful times as

933
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:41,519
i'm sure you have

934
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,799
but we're here yeah you know i'm glad

935
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:46,320
you're here i'm glad you're you're doing

936
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:47,360
this interview because

937
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:54,549
i just came into this scene maybe you

938
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,600
know

939
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,840
august last year i had my first like

940
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,600
real big experience

941
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,919
and so i've been like digging really

942
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,120
hard and

943
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:05,440
you know since then so there's a lot i

944
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:06,399
don't know yet

945
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,679
but um you know it's nice to watch

946
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,200
you know like people like you and nap

947
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,039
talk together and

948
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,159
jamie corbell um

949
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,679
there's always a huge learning curve a

950
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,679
lot of this and i'm not an expert on

951
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,360
every historical case

952
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:24,159
yeah by any means but i do follow the

953
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,760
new stuff pretty closely

954
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,360
but there's a lot of better people that

955
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,600
need to talk to about historical cases

956
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:31,840
yeah no i i mean i've just been digging

957
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:34,480
into the like 1950s cases

958
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:37,600
actually lately is it worth it to even

959
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,919
dig

960
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,559
into the past at this point i think so

961
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:42,159
yeah i think it's amazing and you're

962
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,960
going to see

963
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,799
congruencies about what was happening

964
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,120
back then i have yeah yeah and now

965
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,120
and um it's a lot of the same stuff and

966
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:51,679
it's amazing

967
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:54,640
argument yeah lots of great stuff to dig

968
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,279
into

969
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,440
and i was uh definitely in my learning

970
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:59,039
curve i'm just trying to read all the

971
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,919
books i can

972
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:02,000
and but it's almost impossible to read

973
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,200
everything

974
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,480
uh yeah it kind of is and then

975
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,200
like watch the podcast and you know stay

976
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:10,799
up to date on all the news

977
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,600
like which lightly is you know there was

978
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,880
a time when

979
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,120
not too long ago when we could all just

980
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:19,679
stay up on every news clip and every

981
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,960
interview and it wasn't that difficult

982
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:25,679
you know it's like a little blip on cnn

983
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,240
there a little thing there

984
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:30,000
it's really really crazy i mean there

985
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,440
was times in the last four years where

986
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,960
we wouldn't hear from lou for like

987
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,880
a year he wouldn't talk because he was

988
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,960
part of uh to the stars academy

989
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,080
they were or they were filming

990
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,000
unidentified and

991
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,760
um so that's another reason why i'm

992
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:43,200
writing a little bit less because now

993
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:44,080
lou is

994
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,679
doing an interview every day talking

995
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,679
himself yeah i don't have to follow what

996
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,600
those guys are doing as much because

997
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,440
a lot of it is just out there but yeah

998
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,799
there was times where everything was

999
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:53,840
boring

1000
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,640
you know for six months a year at a time

1001
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,559
we were waiting and waiting and waiting

1002
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,159
we were promised things were coming and

1003
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,399
it was slow going slow moving

1004
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,519
yeah so it's just a total different uh

1005
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,440
environment right now that we're in what

1006
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:09,359
do you see for yourself

1007
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,560
like let's say there is a disclosure and

1008
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,000
the disclosure is just

1009
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,800
uh verification of another intelligent

1010
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:18,079
life form

1011
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,079
um what what does that mean for you

1012
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:24,159
i follow a lot of the government stuff

1013
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,119
real closely

1014
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,639
and um to me i've said this other places

1015
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:30,320
it feels like it's a waste of time

1016
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,280
because

1017
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,919
we're doing that as advocates to try to

1018
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:35,520
get the world to believe

1019
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,879
um what we believe so we have to focus

1020
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,919
on the government

1021
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,399
because that's who people listen to and

1022
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,919
people want it and also they have

1023
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:45,520
amazing data and sensors and all that

1024
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,720
kind of thing

1025
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,960
but there's other people like my friend

1026
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,639
twitter user jay with the mind sublime

1027
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,760
podcast

1028
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,079
that directly look at what the

1029
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,720
phenomenon is doing and how it's working

1030
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:59,200
so really all of us that focus on the

1031
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,560
government stuff

1032
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:03,280
preferably will be cut out of the

1033
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,839
equation

1034
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:06,000
unless we switch it because once people

1035
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:07,359
know everything is real

1036
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,320
they're going to start looking at

1037
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,880
consciousness and the phenomenon itself

1038
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,800
right what the heck is going on a lot of

1039
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,720
that stuff i don't understand

1040
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,359
um and other dimensions and whatever

1041
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,720
else you know

1042
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,800
you can do to figure out how things work

1043
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,720
on a scientific level on just a really

1044
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,000
complicated level so

1045
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,160
uh you know those people are going to

1046
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,320
have a lot more to do

1047
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,480
and uh the rest of us are going to be

1048
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:32,960
kind of like dating apps

1049
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:35,599
we're built to to get deleted you know i

1050
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:36,640
don't know

1051
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,440
happen to be honest because we may

1052
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,040
always be fighting this thing

1053
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,800
and we may never get full disclosure

1054
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:45,040
quote unquote but if full disclosure

1055
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,079
does come

1056
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,800
and it's going to be like you know these

1057
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,800
sci-fi movies where they know aliens are

1058
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,240
here and then they're like contacting

1059
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,839
all the scientists in the world

1060
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,359
to try to figure out what the heck is

1061
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,040
going on with the aliens or the other

1062
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,720
you know intelligence whatever you want

1063
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,480
to call it but uh

1064
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:02,000
and a lot of us government reporters

1065
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,839
will be done because

1066
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,359
people know us here but we'll see if

1067
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,119
that ever happens yeah

1068
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,240
i mean the more i think about that

1069
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,720
you know it's going to get it's not

1070
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,160
going to get easier

1071
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,079
when that time comes i think i think

1072
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:18,079
it's going to become more complicated

1073
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,520
there's going to be more things thrown

1074
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,160
into the mix like politics and how do we

1075
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,680
deal with this first

1076
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,359
no i think we should do this first or

1077
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:27,119
that first that's true and i guess i

1078
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,640
could still stick to government at that

1079
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,320
point

1080
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,400
and and uh and just fighting for the

1081
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,079
good side of this because there's

1082
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,560
people not i guess i could still uh a

1083
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:38,079
lot of us could still report on what the

1084
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:39,200
government how the government is

1085
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,240
handling it

1086
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:43,119
and things like that but um yeah and uh

1087
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,560
but i don't know if i'll ever be able to

1088
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,000
figure out how

1089
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,520
consciousness works or how the

1090
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,119
phenomenon works or

1091
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,560
what is going on specifically with it

1092
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:52,720
that's just way over my head yeah

1093
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,839
well i think they'll i would hope it'll

1094
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,280
get to a point where there's someone

1095
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:59,200
available to break it down in layman's

1096
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,160
terms for everyone

1097
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,680
because if they don't think many people

1098
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,359
will get it yeah

1099
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,960
that's if that's if they actually know

1100
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,079
what the heck is going on and how it

1101
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,240
works you know we don't know that yeah i

1102
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,680
do believe that they've figured out some

1103
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:11,200
of the technology if we're listening to

1104
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,839
lou

1105
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,000
we may know how these ufos are flying in

1106
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:15,760
these space-time bubbles and whatnot

1107
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,079
yeah that doesn't mean we know you know

1108
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,920
what the other intelligence is thinking

1109
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:21,440
why it's doing things and that's just a

1110
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,349
that's a can of worms too yeah totally i

1111
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:28,960
wonder what it is if they're just here

1112
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,480
like monitoring us or taking samples or

1113
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,240
you know i think it's human nature to go

1114
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,839
to fear and say they're prepping for an

1115
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:37,680
invasion but i don't

1116
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,040
get that vibe from reading like past

1117
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,960
reports from the 50s and what happens

1118
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,560
now but you never know

1119
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:47,200
like 50 years could be a second to them

1120
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,560
i don't like that a lot of that trainer

1121
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,400
thinking where people will say

1122
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,560
are they going to invade us or or would

1123
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,079
um

1124
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,000
if they're mean why or if they're

1125
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:57,599
negative why would haven't they blown us

1126
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,000
up

1127
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,920
we could already be invaded we could

1128
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:01,040
already be

1129
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,440
whatever we wouldn't know it especially

1130
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,440
if they have those psychic powers

1131
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,440
yeah you know we we could be their farm

1132
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:09,040
already i mean it looks like they're

1133
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,640
already here and they have been

1134
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,800
for thousands of years so the fact that

1135
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:14,560
they haven't bonus fbi just doesn't make

1136
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,520
any sense to me

1137
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:17,040
and we already could have been invaded

1138
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,560
we could have been invaded thousands and

1139
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,079
thousands of years ago

1140
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,920
um or any of this stuff we just don't

1141
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,520
know yeah i think

1142
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,280
whatever i think you're right there

1143
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:27,680
whatever it is is

1144
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,200
uh i a lot longer of a situation

1145
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,520
than you know we're maybe capable of

1146
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,400
thinking

1147
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,599
you know um for instance i think

1148
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:42,240
like you said they've been here forever

1149
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,880
um

1150
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,119
but also that forever that a thousand

1151
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,800
years to them for all you know could be

1152
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,720
three minutes or whatever so maybe they

1153
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:50,240
are going to blow us up on the fourth

1154
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,720
minute

1155
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,480
but that's just 20 years from now to

1156
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:54,320
them you know and i don't rule anything

1157
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,520
out maybe it is

1158
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,839
after um you know we just don't know

1159
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,040
every uh how put off

1160
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:01,359
it everything is on the table yeah i

1161
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:02,079
believe that

1162
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,839
um but you know i yeah what's crazy is i

1163
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,560
think

1164
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,240
the government or some pockets of the

1165
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,920
government are actually starting to

1166
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,599
consider some of this stuff now which is

1167
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,200
pretty amazing

1168
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:16,079
yeah that's that is truly amazing yeah

1169
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,800
especially

1170
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,240
like we were just talking about this

1171
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,760
reading reports from the 50s and

1172
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,960
everything

1173
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,800
and you know what kind of struck me is

1174
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,119
how many times

1175
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,960
there how many reports have just been

1176
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:29,040
made you know to bring

1177
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,640
different people throughout all these

1178
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,320
years yeah

1179
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,640
and it's kind of always the same is it

1180
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:36,480
foreign

1181
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,520
is it us no

1182
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,800
no what is it i'm not sure all right

1183
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,280
let's move on and don't tell anybody

1184
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:47,280
yeah yeah they do it or maybe that's

1185
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,640
what it is that they just they

1186
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:51,040
have no handle on it that's what they

1187
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,760
can do but

1188
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,680
i don't know what do you think there

1189
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:55,040
could be a whole another

1190
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,640
level to this thing and i'm not sure i

1191
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,560
don't want to get too conservatorial we

1192
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,560
can always kick around ideas but uh

1193
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,440
yeah speculate we're speculating

1194
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,040
speculating well

1195
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:07,040
you know i always speculate i put this

1196
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,480
on uh

1197
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,400
grant cameron's facebook recently and

1198
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,480
this is super crazy speculation i have

1199
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,760
no idea if it's true

1200
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:16,000
i just wonder about it sometimes that

1201
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,599
yeah if they've known that there's this

1202
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,200
other type of intelligence right we know

1203
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,400
that there's people that

1204
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:22,960
do channeling all kinds of crazy stuff

1205
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,760
not saying that

1206
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,119
all of that is real but i'm not saying

1207
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,359
it's not either because i don't know

1208
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,760
if there was some type of a group that

1209
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,359
attempted contact

1210
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,200
maybe it was through ce5 maybe it was

1211
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,640
through channeling

1212
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,040
or whatever maybe they had a live alien

1213
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,640
who really knows i mean

1214
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:41,040
i'm not saying this is true of course i

1215
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:42,560
know i hope these people speculations

1216
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,200
are listening

1217
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:44,960
right now speculation this is

1218
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,910
no maybe something went wrong you know

1219
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,079
we've heard rumors of

1220
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,319
you know um getting during contact

1221
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,760
experiences in the government

1222
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,520
and people getting sick or dying or

1223
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,440
crazy things like yeah maybe something

1224
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,880
really horrible has already happened to

1225
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,160
them when they were studying this in the

1226
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,319
60s or 70s or 80s

1227
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,640
and um and they decided they don't want

1228
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:08,079
to mess with it and maybe that's why a

1229
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:09,119
part of the government

1230
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:12,319
uh has been shying away from this

1231
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,359
because they don't

1232
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,800
they already experienced it or they know

1233
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,960
other people that did and they

1234
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,680
it was really really bad so that's one

1235
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:21,040
of my speculations i don't know if

1236
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,079
that's true at all

1237
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:25,440
i mean dr uh jacquez vale

1238
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,960
uh has a lot of things to say about um

1239
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:31,440
the bad side of making contact that's

1240
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,720
for sure

1241
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,280
you know one of his points is um goes

1242
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,599
towards like abduction stories

1243
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:40,319
and how they get people and sometimes

1244
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:41,040
repeat

1245
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,319
the same person and

1246
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,319
the point of mix is it's just we're so

1247
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,160
much better at doing that stuff

1248
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:50,800
like you don't have to pick up somebody

1249
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,200
twice to get their dna profile and this

1250
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:55,040
information or that like

1251
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,880
so there's something like um benevolent

1252
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,200
involved you know like he's like i could

1253
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,480
go get your blood and you wouldn't even

1254
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,079
know or wake up and i wouldn't ever

1255
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,319
need to get again to know everything

1256
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:07,839
about you you know

1257
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,280
yeah the um the whole idea of

1258
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:13,359
abductions may be the whole reason for

1259
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,319
the secrecy

1260
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,520
i mean how can you tell the world that

1261
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,720
abductions are real

1262
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,319
there isn't a whole lot you can do to

1263
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,040
protect yourself i mean that's right

1264
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,800
that's going to scare people regardless

1265
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:26,880
of how strong everyone is

1266
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,119
i mean that's a huge problem yeah

1267
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,800
that if they didn't address it right

1268
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:34,480
away it'd be one of the first questions

1269
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,280
probably

1270
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,920
yeah i mean there's a whole thing that's

1271
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,680
a can of worms that's gonna get opened

1272
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,599
you know people are gonna start once

1273
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,960
they start realizing that there's

1274
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,359
something in our skies or in our oceans

1275
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,640
they're gonna start asking all these

1276
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:48,560
other hard hard questions and it's gonna

1277
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,520
get crazy

1278
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,440
yeah and you're gonna have people trying

1279
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:53,119
to do crazy things

1280
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,119
like catch them and chase them and

1281
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,160
we'll see what happens i i continuously

1282
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:02,480
get surprised about

1283
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:05,200
what other people actually believe is

1284
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,760
true

1285
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:08,400
people that i respect i mean we can look

1286
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:08,800
at

1287
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,160
uh james fox who seems to be a

1288
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:15,359
pretty um good source of information i

1289
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,920
mean look

1290
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:18,160
when he did the phenomenon documentary

1291
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,200
it was awesome

1292
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,640
and it didn't have a lot of crazy stuff

1293
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:22,640
in there and now we're

1294
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,160
now he's going to be uh reportedly um

1295
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,920
his next documentary is about that other

1296
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,280
brazilian incident

1297
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,440
where there was like aliens running

1298
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:33,200
around the town

1299
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,160
i mean and he's doing the whole

1300
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,240
documentary about that so you

1301
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,359
can deduce that he believes that's real

1302
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:41,760
so i mean it gets really really weird

1303
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:42,400
there's a lot of

1304
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,440
different stories um that you would be

1305
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,000
surprised that these government guys or

1306
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,400
top scientists in the in the ufo field

1307
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,190
was nuts and they got an audio recording

1308
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,960
of that yeah randall

1309
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:59,200
there's this really weird ones the uh

1310
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,560
that one brazilian thing though with the

1311
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:02,000
aliens running around everywhere and

1312
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:03,200
people seeing them that's just

1313
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,630
i'm not aware of that story when did

1314
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,400
that one come out that one was i think

1315
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,400
in like the 70s or 80s

1316
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,000
or maybe no it was the 90s i think i

1317
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:16,319
think was the 90s

1318
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,760
there was like a crash and there was

1319
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,319
aliens running around the town in brazil

1320
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,079
and the police are involved and i've

1321
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,480
heard a bunch of other stuff about it

1322
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,560
um i'm not sure what's true and what's

1323
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,680
kind of legend

1324
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,119
yeah i can't wait to look into that yeah

1325
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,960
i think uh you know

1326
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,880
fox has been covering this for a while

1327
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,319
because he's been able to dig up a bunch

1328
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,160
of the um

1329
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,240
uh witnesses but there's other stuff

1330
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,599
that we know that

1331
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,400
people have people seem to believe you

1332
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:46,240
can look at the ingo swan book

1333
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,839
there's stuff in there that people seem

1334
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:49,040
to believe there's a lot of stuff that

1335
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,160
people don't believe

1336
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,240
yeah but there's one wild story in

1337
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:53,680
particular that people

1338
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,960
um seem to think is true and i'm just

1339
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:58,720
i'm amazed about some of this stuff it's

1340
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,920
crazy yeah it's

1341
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,079
i can never allow myself to fully

1342
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,079
believe something that's

1343
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,599
you know like chris mellon always says

1344
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:09,760
it you know uh

1345
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,880
bold claims or whatever require bold

1346
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,880
evidence or whatever you know

1347
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,560
however that goes i'm sure i [\h__\h] it

1348
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,240
up but

1349
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,839
you know yeah so i can never let my

1350
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,160
believe myself believe in something a

1351
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:23,520
hundred percent

1352
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,800
without you know being able to touch it

1353
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,680
and see it

1354
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:30,160
and all that kind of stuff you know and

1355
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,960
feel it

1356
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,560
and these people are expecting doesn't

1357
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,760
mean they're always right they could be

1358
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,560
wrong

1359
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,680
yeah that's true i mean people alive

1360
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,800
you know but um

1361
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,640
but that's why i kind of tend to play

1362
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:44,880
more observer and

1363
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,680
you know try to make more logical uh

1364
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:49,359
choices in my brain i guess

1365
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,640
yeah it's safer yeah you know

1366
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,240
you don't know what the [\h__\h] it is i

1367
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,240
don't yeah

1368
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,040
you know i have my feelings and you know

1369
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,079
strong speculations and feelings but

1370
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,079
but i hope the government just steps in

1371
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,520
and kind of puts all that stuff to bed

1372
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:07,119
because you know they're really to blame

1373
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,520
for

1374
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,200
why we're here and even you know get

1375
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,800
into these little infighting

1376
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:13,200
tiffs and stuff we deserve the truth

1377
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:14,800
people deserve the truth whatever is

1378
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,760
going on

1379
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,599
you know uh it's a civil right type of

1380
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,599
situation it is we deserve to know

1381
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:21,280
what's going on no matter how horrible

1382
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,160
it is

1383
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,079
i often speculate that maybe it's better

1384
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,680
to not know

1385
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,160
but that's not how the world works so

1386
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,680
yeah we need to be told the truth no

1387
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,359
matter how horrible it is

1388
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,400
yeah and eventually if you live

1389
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,160
you know not knowing someone's gonna

1390
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,839
whisper in your ear and say yeah

1391
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,160
yeah we know so and then you're gonna

1392
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:41,520
get curious and

1393
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,800
yeah you know you gotta find out

1394
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:45,599
especially on all this stuff i guess

1395
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,630
i guess if you had to

1396
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:55,359
[Music]

1397
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:58,960
if you had to recommend like a book

1398
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,480
or yeah probably like a book or movie or

1399
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:04,000
something that would be good for

1400
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:07,839
a person first coming into this

1401
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,040
um what would it be um i like james fox

1402
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,200
phenomenon that was pretty solid okay

1403
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,839
um i like unidentified the tv show

1404
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:17,280
that's amazing i would tell them to

1405
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:18,240
watch that

1406
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,160
yeah um a lot of the other stuff

1407
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,240
may be too far even the jacques ballet

1408
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,440
stuff right

1409
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,440
maybe a little bit too far i i've

1410
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,200
noticed that you know we do we have to

1411
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,040
stick to the government stuff in order

1412
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,480
to convince people

1413
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,599
i mean it depends who we're talking

1414
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,359
about here if we're talking about a

1415
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,880
normal person that just doesn't even

1416
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:38,319
really care and we're trying to convince

1417
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:38,880
them

1418
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:42,160
i would say look at the government stuff

1419
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,520
look what's going on there's a task

1420
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,680
force currently you know but watch the

1421
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,680
phenomenon watch unidentified look at

1422
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,280
lou's story

1423
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,839
look at chris mullin's story and that

1424
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,480
kind of thing

1425
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,240
if it's someone that believes and is

1426
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:55,520
just interested then that's a whole

1427
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,559
other uh

1428
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,319
that's a whole other thing but um you

1429
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,160
know we've came along a very very

1430
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,960
very long way since 2017 i mean i have

1431
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,280
friends and family all around me

1432
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,880
they hated the subject they didn't want

1433
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:08,480
to believe any of it

1434
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,599
and now no one can deny there's advanced

1435
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,000
technology flying around our skies

1436
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,319
i mean the tic tac incident happened

1437
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:18,079
whether it's some foreign adversary that

1438
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,400
has

1439
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,440
crazy technology or some other type of

1440
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,880
non-human intelligence or whatever you

1441
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:24,000
want to call it

1442
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,440
that happened and it's kind of

1443
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:27,440
undeniable now so

1444
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,640
um and a lot of people know that now and

1445
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,079
they can we can point them towards

1446
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,800
politicians yeah that are saying it i

1447
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,160
mean obama said it

1448
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,319
that there's things uh flying around

1449
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:40,079
peer gy so that's happening that's

1450
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,800
occurring

1451
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,559
why do you think that hasn't been a

1452
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,559
bigger story

1453
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,400
it did circulate pretty well i think

1454
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:48,160
when obama said it but

1455
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,440
you know i guess we could always want

1456
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,280
more we always want more

1457
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:53,440
but you know you can bring that to

1458
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,400
almost anyone

1459
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,760
and um you know i guess unless they hate

1460
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,520
obama or something but uh

1461
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:01,200
you can you can look at uh do it

1462
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,559
bipartisan and and

1463
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:05,119
find uh republicans like marco rubio

1464
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:05,760
saying it

1465
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,800
yeah but um you know that's it's an

1466
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,119
undeniable fact so in that way

1467
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,200
if if disclosure was the fact that

1468
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,520
there's advanced technology in our skies

1469
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,880
the disclosure has happened because

1470
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,880
that's real and it's undeniable

1471
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,800
yeah you're right and that's actually

1472
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,720
something lou has said for a long time

1473
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,880
when he would get frustrated sometimes

1474
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,880
and say listen

1475
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,119
everyone's asking for this big d one day

1476
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,200
all of a sudden it just happens

1477
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,040
uh first of all we've already had

1478
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,520
disclosure um the government has

1479
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,599
admitted there's things in our skies and

1480
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,280
they don't know what they are

1481
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,040
you know and then the rest of it is kind

1482
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:42,720
of a slow trickle to get

1483
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,240
to the truth of what it is

1484
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,280
but yeah and it's hard to be patient

1485
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:51,040
because it's exciting

1486
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,760
yeah and i think you see that kind of uh

1487
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,240
in people's tweets and stuff sometimes

1488
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:00,559
myself included you know i get impatient

1489
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,319
but yeah what would be the best uh what

1490
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:06,000
would you advise or what would be

1491
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:10,000
your advice for um somebody to

1492
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,760
make a difference um

1493
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,319
i would share this information with

1494
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:18,240
people around them because that's our

1495
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,040
goal

1496
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,720
ufo community we already believe

1497
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,040
we're trying to get others you know i

1498
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,400
call them ufo citizens

1499
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,720
normal people that don't care on board

1500
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,160
so you can share that information with

1501
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,839
your family and friends

1502
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,839
you can contact your politicians i go

1503
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,359
back and forth on

1504
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,559
whether that's valuable to do or not but

1505
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,640
you know it's something you can possibly

1506
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:41,599
do

1507
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:44,640
you can jump on social media which

1508
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,079
we all did and um try to kind of just

1509
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,920
enter the conversation

1510
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:52,240
um but that's the best thing to do i

1511
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,280
think is

1512
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,480
share information with people around you

1513
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,280
yeah um you can try to become an

1514
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,280
influencer

1515
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,640
if you feel like you can bring something

1516
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,960
to the table you know whether you're on

1517
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,480
tick tock or

1518
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:08,800
any of these other um social media

1519
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,760
platforms

1520
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,640
yeah um there's a lot of other things

1521
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:13,920
you can do you can go

1522
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,720
and join uh your local mufon chapter and

1523
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:18,160
try to become an investigator i don't

1524
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,720
know

1525
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,960
i'd love to do that yeah some people do

1526
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,160
that i don't know how much

1527
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,480
they're using these days i think it's a

1528
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,160
lot of like over the phone stuff now

1529
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,760
because they covered but

1530
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,359
i don't know just start thinking man and

1531
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,280
uh the good community no matter what

1532
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:33,119
anyone says is small

1533
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,720
so the bar is lower as far as trying to

1534
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:38,000
make a difference like you and me we're

1535
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,280
talking about music

1536
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:41,040
we know how hard it is to make a

1537
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,640
different music industry

1538
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,599
it's insane it's easier in the ufo

1539
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:47,440
community man you can jump in and

1540
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:48,559
people will start listening to you

1541
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:49,920
whether that's a good thing or bad thing

1542
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,200
it's probably both

1543
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,040
yeah but you know it's not hard to

1544
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:55,040
become an influencer in the ufo

1545
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,319
community i don't think so

1546
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:58,319
yeah um if you if you can bring

1547
00:52:03,030 --> 00:51:59,599
something to the table

1548
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:03,040
well i'd like to be but you know one

1549
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:04,000
step at a time

1550
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:07,359
um you know influence i only want to be

1551
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,680
able

1552
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:10,319
to give influence if it's positive so

1553
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,800
yeah

1554
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:12,160
you know and you know that that doesn't

1555
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,319
mean it's it's good but uh

1556
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,839
and maybe that's kind of a knock on the

1557
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:17,440
ufo community that people will listen

1558
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:18,240
but um

1559
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,200
i don't know there's a lot of different

1560
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,280
things you can do and uh yeah

1561
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:23,599
i mean i would just say whatever part of

1562
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,559
your life

1563
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:26,559
that you live or and you can just spread

1564
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:32,549
and it's hard to find out what is

1565
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,000
accurate obviously because everyone has

1566
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,520
a different opinion of what is working

1567
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,680
yeah what are a couple good sources yeah

1568
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:39,040
but that's why you know i like to stick

1569
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:40,559
to the government stuff and the solid

1570
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:41,440
stuff

1571
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:44,240
and to share it with people and share a

1572
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:45,520
new york times article with them or

1573
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,000
something like

1574
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:49,359
that you know whether you're a doctor or

1575
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:53,440
you're a just a regular job employee you

1576
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,640
know you can share stuff with people

1577
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:56,079
around you they may not care they may

1578
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,280
laugh at you but

1579
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,480
at least you're breaking it down to them

1580
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,160
the breaking down some of these walls

1581
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,720
and uh i think the younger people are

1582
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,800
the more open they are to some of this

1583
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,559
stuff too yeah i think so

1584
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,559
i think you're right yeah as a new

1585
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:12,720
generation comes in i think

1586
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,760
you know social norms and all everything

1587
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:18,480
is gonna probably change you know um for

1588
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,440
the better as

1589
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,839
we evolve so yeah maybe that's when all

1590
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:24,160
this stuff will happen

1591
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,760
because you know a couple of me people

1592
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:27,520
have made this point if aliens are you

1593
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,000
know looking

1594
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,559
down on us or whatever are they really

1595
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,000
going to come here

1596
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:35,280
they'd probably probably say next

1597
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,440
next planet if you could um

1598
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,000
ride in a spaceship or time machine

1599
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:47,430
man i'm not sure i'm not sure i would do

1600
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,000
both either i mean

1601
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,839
i would like to go back in time and tell

1602
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,359
myself some things

1603
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,920
but uh it counts i'm kind of scared of

1604
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,760
some of the stuff man like

1605
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,119
i don't think i want to like see an

1606
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,880
alien or something like that would not

1607
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:01,920
be fun for me

1608
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:05,119
i'd get really scared um well you don't

1609
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,079
know that

1610
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:08,319
yeah i guess i don't but i don't know

1611
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,359
they look like little

1612
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,240
bunny rabbits yeah that's true i think

1613
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,920
it would be cool to see a ufo like from

1614
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:15,520
a distance but i don't want that thing

1615
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,240
near me man

1616
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,880
and uh yeah um there's just too many bad

1617
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,119
stories i don't know i'd have to uh

1618
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,200
i guess if i'm being selfish i would say

1619
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:24,960
i can do like a uh

1620
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:27,680
biff situation and go back with like the

1621
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:28,400
uh

1622
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,520
the almanac and just get ready

1623
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,160
yeah but you better drive uh carefully

1624
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,799
or you'll run into a

1625
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,720
truck bed of manure yeah over and over

1626
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,480
again over and over again

1627
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,720
yeah man i don't know the uh and maybe

1628
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,799
hey maybe all the ufos are time machines

1629
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,480
already that we're looking at

1630
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,559
any of this stuff could be true but uh

1631
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,520
yeah right

1632
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,799
i always think if it's a hundred

1633
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,720
thousand years ahead of us the tech like

1634
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,079
well we're gonna have it then

1635
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:56,720
so yeah i always quote um hal put off's

1636
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,440
amazing

1637
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,559
you see a ufo

1638
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,000
on the ground and it's powered up and

1639
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,880
don't run up because people die

1640
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,720
you get your dirt there's fields around

1641
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:08,240
there there's radiation or whatever you

1642
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,960
want to call it

1643
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,799
yeah right and it happens over and over

1644
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,079
and over again to people

1645
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:14,000
um even people in the armed forces they

1646
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,359
get they die

1647
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,920
or they get seriously injured so if you

1648
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,440
see something i would say

1649
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:21,200
move away from it rather than closer to

1650
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:22,480
it and that's

1651
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,079
great uh information to keep you healthy

1652
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:28,480
there's tons of these stories that we

1653
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,319
hear about that aren't public

1654
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,240
that of people getting injured and dying

1655
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,000
and i think

1656
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:37,119
that is another um part of i i would

1657
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:38,400
really hope that that's in some of these

1658
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:39,359
briefings

1659
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,799
because we know there was a dirt a

1660
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,400
defense intelligence reference document

1661
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,160
written written by kitt green

1662
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:47,520
about it and um there's that's kind of

1663
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,160
like another

1664
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,440
dark uh part of uh this whole story that

1665
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,040
people aren't really talking about but

1666
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,280
you know um and whether it's on purpose

1667
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,119
or not maybe it's not on purpose

1668
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,839
i think lou made the analogy of someone

1669
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,359
standing next to

1670
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,000
a plane while it's taking off it's going

1671
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,599
to last your hearing out

1672
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,119
you can get injured in other ways and

1673
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:08,960
the plane isn't necessarily trying to

1674
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,599
hurt you

1675
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,920
right you're just too close to it he's

1676
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,200
pretty good with the analogies

1677
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,400
oh he's great he's amazing and um

1678
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,240
but that's just another thing you need

1679
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,240
to worry about so if you see something

1680
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,000
i would say leave the area and not go

1681
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:23,440
closer to it

1682
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,799
all right so don't ask for a ride

1683
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,640
i mean that's the thing i guess if like

1684
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:30,319
you're already in it and they know

1685
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,599
and you're they're taking you for a ride

1686
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:33,520
you don't get hurt but if they don't

1687
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,319
know you're there

1688
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,000
or something like that you could be in

1689
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:38,160
serious trouble like that rental shrimp

1690
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,359
incident

1691
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,680
uh was it colonel hall who put his hand

1692
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:42,640
over

1693
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:56,150
well that's that's actually a real thing

1694
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,520
i made the mistake of saying

1695
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:00,160
it they put that on their workers comp

1696
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,520
the rental stream for us but it's

1697
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,359
something like workers comp except the

1698
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,000
military and it's a lot harder to get

1699
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:08,079
so that means that something definitely

1700
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,839
happened yeah and john mccain worked to

1701
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,599
yeah if they're what they were doing

1702
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,359
so it's scary and i mean there's other

1703
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:16,799
things like cash landrum and

1704
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:19,119
it goes on and on i really am of the

1705
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,559
mind that i believe

1706
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,480
when i talk to people you know we hear

1707
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:24,400
of one story right and that's public but

1708
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,200
there's

1709
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,839
tons of other stories that are similar

1710
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,520
that we've never heard of

1711
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:32,319
um there's kolaris island that happened

1712
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,839
in brazil where this

1713
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:36,079
town was basically under siege and

1714
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,280
that's crazy and

1715
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:39,200
but i think there's been tons of other

1716
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,559
events like that that we haven't heard

1717
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,839
of and it just goes

1718
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,359
on and on we can be looking at these

1719
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,119
military events currently

1720
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,559
what we're hearing about is probably

1721
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,720
like one percent of what's going on with

1722
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,760
the military

1723
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:52,720
yeah it's nuts i mean honestly the one

1724
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:53,359
video

1725
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:57,920
good

1726
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,960
for you know cell phone stuff but i

1727
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,160
wouldn't even think of

1728
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:04,000
i didn't even think of reporting it to

1729
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,599
anyone you know what i mean like how

1730
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:07,200
many other people do that

1731
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,799
where they see something or experience

1732
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,720
something and reporting it

1733
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,960
to the police doesn't even come to mind

1734
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,319
because what i think is like well what

1735
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:16,000
are they going to do

1736
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,079
yeah now you can put it on youtube or

1737
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:19,520
something um that's

1738
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:22,799
unfortunate because with cg and cgi

1739
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:25,680
all this stuff we never know what's real

1740
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:26,319
what

1741
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,160
does happen is if someone reports a ufo

1742
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,640
uh incident and they have a video or

1743
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,839
something like that even if they don't

1744
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,040
have a video

1745
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,200
some of these government agencies go in

1746
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:39,119
and they'll look at the youtube uh or

1747
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:40,319
whatever it is

1748
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,119
and then they'll look at infrastructure

1749
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:45,119
in the area

1750
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,319
um so if there's like a camera

1751
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,920
on a building that was in the area

1752
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,520
they'll go access that camera

1753
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,520
and try to verify it so that's it's

1754
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,799
crazy but

1755
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,839
of course they don't share that with

1756
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:58,319
people yeah and would you report that to

1757
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:58,640
the

1758
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,599
police department or move on yeah maybe

1759
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,720
you know it would be nice if people

1760
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:04,000
started taking it more seriously

1761
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,599
but you know the police get all these

1762
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,520
ufo reports and i guess they

1763
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,119
don't do much about it that's what's

1764
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,720
really cool too is when um the police

1765
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,720
themselves are reporting uh

1766
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,400
seeing the ufo or something like this

1767
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:16,319
yeah well there was that one guy in new

1768
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,319
mexico too that famous one where he saw

1769
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,440
the alien

1770
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:21,520
yeah i forgot what his name was but that

1771
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,480
was in

1772
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,559
was that no phenomenon too i think that

1773
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,000
story i can't remember

1774
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:29,520
yeah i'm terrible with that stuff

1775
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,400
but uh yeah if for anyone wondering how

1776
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:34,240
i got him on the show i went to the

1777
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,880
observation deck dressed in a cowboy hat

1778
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:38,000
and a bolo tie

1779
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:39,440
walked right up to him and said you're

1780
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,549
that was fun being in that virtual world

1781
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,480
man it was

1782
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:49,040
yeah it was interesting what do you even

1783
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:50,160
enjoy most about

1784
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:52,960
observation deck um you know i'm just

1785
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:53,839
happy that

1786
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:57,040
richard dolan invited us um to do that

1787
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,720
we don't get invited a lot to these uh

1788
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,720
these things and you know all these

1789
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,240
other guys are doing it

1790
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,319
it's kind of like they want a lot of the

1791
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:07,920
older researchers or

1792
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:11,359
just not necessarily us to do it and

1793
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:15,280
dolin invited myself ufo joe

1794
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,040
james ian doley and project unity to go

1795
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,880
and it was really nice of him to do that

1796
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,440
to give us that look and we want to do

1797
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:25,200
more of these and then speak at more of

1798
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:25,839
them

1799
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:28,559
yeah so it was just an honor for richard

1800
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:29,680
dolan to

1801
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:32,160
invite us it was really cool and it was

1802
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:33,520
only virtual

1803
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:36,240
um but uh you know people might be in

1804
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:37,440
trouble if they get us

1805
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:40,559
talking more and it's not the same

1806
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:45,510
but and we have a lot of great

1807
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:47,359
information if not better

1808
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:50,319
than a lot of the older uh guys at the

1809
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,280
conferences because they're not

1810
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,720
following a lot of the new stuff

1811
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,240
and the new stuff is what a lot of

1812
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:56,000
people want to hear about i mean that's

1813
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,440
this is what's changing everything is

1814
01:01:01,109 --> 01:01:00,079
elizondo and all these other guys

1815
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:01,119
but you know people are always

1816
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:02,400
interested in other things too and i'm

1817
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:03,760
not knocking that

1818
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,880
if they want to talk about you know

1819
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,359
their abduction experiences from you

1820
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:11,200
know 30 years ago or whatever too that's

1821
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,160
interesting

1822
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,319
um i have spoken at some local events

1823
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,720
here but i haven't ever gone to like any

1824
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,079
big conference so this was kind of like

1825
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,480
our first uh conference even though it

1826
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:21,520
was virtual

1827
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:24,640
but it was cool yeah it was fun man yeah

1828
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,920
it's really fun i mean it was no

1829
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,799
different than

1830
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,960
really our conversation right now we're

1831
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:30,400
having it was just another um

1832
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:33,200
panel discussion but uh it's cool man

1833
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,000
and um

1834
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,680
it's extra fun when it's in real life

1835
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,040
and you get to meet people

1836
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,599
yeah i've never done that people and uh

1837
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,520
i've talked a few of them locally in

1838
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,799
dallas and uh

1839
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,160
it's cool to actually meet people in the

1840
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:46,240
real world not on social media

1841
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:49,520
and it's just fun to interact yeah

1842
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,920
i can't wait to go to a real life ufo

1843
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:52,960
conference for sure

1844
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,680
because like i said yeah i just started

1845
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:57,359
you know the kovitz stuff i actually

1846
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,079
had a album i made a vinyl for the first

1847
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:02,160
time for my music project and everything

1848
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:05,200
i had all this promo set up and radio

1849
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:08,480
stuff and uh shows and all this and

1850
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:11,599
yeah then covet hit in march my release

1851
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:12,240
show is like

1852
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,280
april 16th yeah jim linneman

1853
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,119
yep son of a [\h__\h] he tried everything

1854
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,440
he could do but we couldn't do it the

1855
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:21,119
conference is um i have mixed feelings

1856
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:22,319
about some of the conferences because

1857
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:23,520
you go there and

1858
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:25,839
some of the information is so bad and so

1859
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:26,720
corny

1860
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:28,400
and really we're trying oh yeah i mean

1861
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:30,079
there'll be people dressed up as aliens

1862
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:31,119
walking around

1863
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:33,039
let's put our own together yeah it's

1864
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:34,480
kind of like a

1865
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:37,839
situation um

1866
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:39,200
but you know that's how people are

1867
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,480
having fun and i don't want to knock

1868
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,920
people for having fun

1869
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:43,440
but we're trying to be you know stay

1870
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:44,960
credible and do

1871
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:47,680
uh and have credible information yeah um

1872
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,880
and then you'll go to some of these

1873
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,480
conferences and it's like

1874
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:52,480
everything new age in the world is

1875
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:53,680
included

1876
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,720
and um just all kinds of wildlife

1877
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:57,680
speakers

1878
01:03:06,069 --> 01:02:59,599
that have people wiping their asses with

1879
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,109
to me it's somewhat exploitative but i

1880
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,799
don't know it's kind of what we have to

1881
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,960
deal with and the more credible the

1882
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:13,839
conference can be

1883
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:17,039
i think the better and if you look at

1884
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:18,160
what richard dolan did on the

1885
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:20,240
observation deck it was us for our young

1886
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:21,119
guns

1887
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:24,079
and richard dolan who's very credible

1888
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:24,480
yeah

1889
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,799
and lou elizondo so there was like no

1890
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:28,480
weirdness at all on that one

1891
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:30,960
yeah yeah and everything has its place

1892
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,839
right

1893
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,799
everything has this place i'm not

1894
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,640
telling people to not have fun or not

1895
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,079
listen to that stuff but we are trying

1896
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:38,000
to stay credible these would public

1897
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,839
i guess i could say that this is ufo

1898
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:41,280
community stuff so it can get a little

1899
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:42,400
more wild and

1900
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:44,799
crazy but uh i mean some of these

1901
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:47,680
conferences they have like a booth where

1902
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:50,960
they hook you up to a um electronic

1903
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:53,200
device and it reads your alien implant

1904
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,799
for you

1905
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,319
i mean it's just crazy stuff that makes

1906
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:58,160
no sense and uh

1907
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:59,760
i don't know what does it tell you if

1908
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:01,359
you don't have one i don't know

1909
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:04,480
i don't know no it's uh

1910
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:07,359
no implant detected i don't know if that

1911
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:08,880
hurts the subject overall i would say

1912
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,240
maybe probably

1913
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,720
yeah it's it's like what you were saying

1914
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,319
earlier it's like once we get

1915
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,480
data and get things confirmed and

1916
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,160
settled up that way then we can

1917
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:20,319
you know it'll be more okay to go into

1918
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:22,960
those other areas like consciousness and

1919
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:26,319
you know and i'd just say to ridiculous

1920
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:28,720
i just i don't think that there's a um

1921
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:29,839
uh some

1922
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:32,559
some kind of a electronic device you can

1923
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,839
place over an implant

1924
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:35,760
right ridiculous and that's probably

1925
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:37,119
exploiting people for their money

1926
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:38,319
because they have to pay for this kind

1927
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,119
of thing

1928
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:41,359
but yeah i'm not i'm not just uh i'm not

1929
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,240
crapping on uh

1930
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:44,240
alien implants those could be very real

1931
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:45,760
well you know it depends is there a

1932
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,559
disclaimer

1933
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,480
you know 50 50 will give you the right

1934
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:49,680
answer or

1935
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,039
if they say 100 this is right give me 20

1936
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:55,520
and unfortunately um people with mental

1937
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:56,079
issues

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are drawn to the ufo subject it's a fact

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yeah so if someone

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is having these mental issues they think

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they have an alien whether they

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are not terrible yeah and they're

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getting exploited for their money so

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it's weird

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it's a it's a fine line when money is

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involved

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in like a cause you know yeah

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and it gets to a point where it turns a

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cause into

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an entertainment business for sure yeah

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and i'm not saying people shouldn't make

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money

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but you know you have to it is it's a

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fine line but if

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anyone making money on ufo subjects i'm

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not knocking them if they're doing it

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respective respectfully and honestly

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so yeah it's intent right yeah you

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intend to take the money or do good work

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yeah you put in really really hard work

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into this and people do deserve to be

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compensated for it yeah but as musicians

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all right brother i hedge you for a hour

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i really appreciate it

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yeah man i had a great talk with you it

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was really fun i hope you'll come back

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sure so um yes stay in touch

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anything you want to say or talk about

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before we wrap up so you know they can

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always check out my uh

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website silverrecord.comrecord.com and

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then i'm heavy on twitter and uh

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instagram too and some of these other

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places so just uh if they want to hear

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from me

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on a daily basis you probably need to go

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to twitter but thanks so much for having

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me appreciate it

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yeah no problem it's my pleasure man um

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yeah with that have a great day and

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let's stay in touch can't wait to talk

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to you again man

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thanks for all peace all right that was

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a great time

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uh if you want to go to any of his

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websites

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and stuff i put it in the description of

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the video here

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so it's link tree and and uh twitter and

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all that stuff and

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silver record so um

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yeah that guy's a ufo twitter godfather

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maybe he won't take the credit

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but but he is so oh thanks erica i

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really appreciate it

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thanks for coming and hanging out and

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listening

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i do appreciate it um

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i'm gonna try to take my mind off it for

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the weekend

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i don't know if i'll have a choice i get

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my second uh vaccine shot

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after this so i know some people

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kind of like almost die for a little bit

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afterwards

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so we'll see what happens um

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but yeah so i'm gonna go do that

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and you guys have a great weekend

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and as long as everything goes well i'll

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see you monday

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at one o'clock central standard time

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um by the way uh like my page share my

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youtube

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subscribe do all that stuff um so i can

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continue

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to do this and bring on wonderful guests

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and have a positive impact in this

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community

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um if you do that i'll be forever

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grateful

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i'm witness citizen